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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    An A-Bomb - OK Maybe Not That


    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 10:35:50 PM EST
    Tags: The United States, Michigan, SB59, Gun Rights, Rogue Government, Tyranny, Second Amendment, Third Amendment, Constitution, Playing By The Rules, Physics, Equal And Opposing Force, Self Defense, All They Had Were Muskets, Non-Sequitors (all tags)

    The opponents to the 2nd amendment [enumerated] rights are so predictable.

    Heck, even the proponents of the 2nd amendment get caught up in the false premises promoted by the lefty lobbies arguing in favor of disarmament.  Even those who advocate gun ownership too often agree rather easily, that a fully automatic machine gun is too much. [to allow]  They agree that having a bazooka is probably just plain crazy.  And that schools are a bad place to allow guns at all; this last receiving an exclamation point with the governor vetoing SB59.

    How sad.  How intellectually lazy.  

    How incredibly naive.

    Not in the failure of the governor to sign, but in the thinking that one does not have the absolute God-given right to defend their person from aggressors by whatever means possible.  In the thinking that some social sense of insecurity should trump the ability for an individual to provide for his or her own protection. In the thought that an unarmed populace is somehow more intrinsically safe than one which in self interest, has armed itself.

    Thus the argument so predictably presented by the left, that the founders of our constitution "didn't envision semi-automatic rifles and machine guns", falls flat on its face.  The second amendment was put in place for a reason.  It was followed up by the third, (quartering without consent) which few could quote, and was placed so early in the bill of rights as to make very clear, its importance. Those two set up a very clear message to our newly formed government that it was not to assume any activity contrary to the liberty and freedoms assumed by the populace; that no action UPON the people would be accepted, and that the people had the right to defend against force in the commission of such action.

    George Mason helped to clarify this fact.

    Read on below the fold.

    Mason's comment on the right to bear arms effectively debunks "for hunting & shooting pleasure" arguments made by the more moderate gun enthusiasts.  And it goes further, and lays to rest any thought by the gun grabbing lobby that muskets are the limit of what we should be 'allowed' to have.  Or that 'militias' mean government created 'armies'.

    In the Virginia ratifying convention debate, George Mason said:

    "No man has a greater regard for the military gentlemen than I have. I admire their intrepidity, perseverance, and valor. But when once a standing army is established in any country, the people lose their liberty. When, against a regular and disciplined army, yeomanry are the only defence,--yeomanry, unskilful and unarmed,--what chance is there for preserving freedom? Give me leave to recur to the page of history, to warn you of your present danger. Recollect the history of most nations of the world. What havoc, desolation, and destruction, have been perpetrated by standing armies! An instance within the memory of some of this house will show us how our militia may be destroyed. Forty years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia. [Here Mr. Mason quoted sundry passages to this effect.] This was a most iniquitous project. Why should we not provide against the danger of having our militia, our real and natural strength, destroyed? The general government ought, at the same time, to have some such power. But we need not give them power to abolish our militia.
    Equal and opposite force.  

    And if that 'militia' was not the army itself, but a force that could counter a rogue army?  Who then would it be? Yes, a peaceful agreement amongst a people and its [equally armed to the teeth] servant.

    And the left's argument of which weapons are allowed ought to be immediately closed.  There ought be no discussion about what we are "allowed" to have. We have the right to counter such force with an equal force.  If rifles are the norm for forces directed by a tyrannical government, then appropriately armed citizen militia is with rifles.  This is not about violent overthrow of government, but of defense against that of an oppressive one.  A just government which follows that which defines it has no worries with a force capable of defending against it, because a just government earns the support of the people as well.  

    And frankly who might argue that a tyrannical government has the right to overcome the liberties of the citizenry?

    Indeed, no argument by the left, or anyone supporting the consideration by government that we ought to have our ability to defend from illegitimate force taken away by insufficient armament is valid.

    We have allowed the debate to frame our options away. We have allowed the fallacy of safety through individuals disarming to obscure the actual reason for maintaining the right to defend in the first place. The lie that "flintlocks and muskets were what the founders meant" has been told so often, there are the imbecilic class who will forever believe it.

    A revolver in the hands of government requires a revolver in the hands of the people.  A rifle in as likely a situation thus cedes the need for equivalent counter force.  And if there is a mechanization directed by our government to level our homes, and destroy our lives, why would we decline our selves the ability to defend against it. That would be illogical.

    No argument by the left, can overcome the simple math of self preservation instilled in us by our creator.  Our natural rights ought not be so easily bargained away through a blind trust in government, and especially one that repeatedly attempts to abridge so much of the document which the second amendment places an exclamation mark upon.

    Snyder should reconsider SB59, but we should all recognize the universality of self defense, the second amendment, and why we are a nation separate from an abusive monarchy across the pond.

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    It is written... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Corinthian Scales on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:51:07 AM EST
    ...that.

    Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.

    At this juncture, it is becoming clear for Michigan, the state will need this for protecting itself from congressional bypassing Federal government.



    Tench Coxe... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Crippy on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:05:05 AM EST
    was an economist and convention delegate.  He wrote using the nameThe Pennsylvanian.  Here's what he had to say about the second amendment:

    "The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people." -Tench Coxe

    GOD HELP US!
    Crippy

    Defense against people like myself (none / 0) (#5)
    by jgillmanjr on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:50:32 AM EST
    There have been a few times during the course of 2nd Amendment discussion with various people (who know of my "weekend job") where I almost said "The 2nd Amendment is there to ensure the ability to defend oneself from people like me should they ignore their oath to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign AND domestic".

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