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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    SHOCK: Granholm - Cherry administration raising taxes on JOB CREATION!


    By Nick, Section News
    Posted on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 02:54:25 PM EST
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    The Ivory Tower reports this afternoon that the Granholm - Cherry administration's Unemployment Insurance Administration has just officially raised taxes on 40,000 employers (not employees) to the tune of $472,800,000.

    That's $67.50 per employee in the state of Michigan.

    In other words, job makers questioning whether or not to keep an extra employee or two through the holiday season now have a half-a-billion reasons to lay off their workers.  And kiss job creation in January goodbye.  That's the month the tax hike will hit... why add a new job if you're going to get penalized for doing it?

    $472.8 MILLION in new taxes specifically targetting job creation.  Today.  They are LITERALLY raising taxes on new jobs.  Create a job, pay more.  

    And the next time you see me I will be bald from pulling out my own hair.

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    Nope - blame Rick Johnson and Repubs for this too (none / 0) (#1)
    by Hayekian on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 03:16:44 PM EST
    Sorry, but this tax hike has "GOP" written all over it. In 2002 House Bill 5763 increased the weekly maximum unemployment benefit from $300 to $362. It was passed by 58 House Repubs and 23 Senate Repubs. That's what bit job providers in the fanny today. Oh, and Engler's evil twin signed it (the one who took over starting around 1998).

    Folks, when RINOs hand out candy to unions job providers end up paying for it. TANSTAAFL. The Chamber said so at the time, and they were right.

    32 bills have been introduced since 2001 on this issue, many if not most also increasing benefits.

    Sorry Nick, but this IS a Rick Johnson tax hike (none / 0) (#3)
    by Hayekian on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 04:52:37 PM EST
    The reason the UI fund is deleted is because this bill increased payouts by around 20 percent. That adds up over seven years. Under the law the money for those payouts comes from "assessments" (taxes) imposed on employers. If the UI fund gets low because the payouts increase, the assessments go higher. Action -> Reaction. Just because it happens on somebody else's watch doesn't shift the responsibility.

    For some reason this makes me think of a recent exchange on TheNextRight.com, in which John Henke concluded with this:

    "Without spending cuts:
     -tax cuts aren't really tax cuts.
     -Republicans lose their traditional stronghold on fiscal and tax credibility (which would explain why the public actually trusts Democrats more than Republicans on taxes).
     -Republicans end up playing a game of deficit chicken that ultimately favors the Democrats."

    Nick, there's no shortage of sins to be legitimately laid at the Granholm's feet, but if all we do is elect more Rick Johnsons what's the point? Senate Repubs imposed a new tax on computer makers yesterday, and the inevitable outcome of a past spending spree by Repubs finally came home to roost in another tax hike yesterday. We need to quit letting these people off the hook (which you didn't do when you promoted my computer tax item today).

    I know you're not defending Rick Johnson (none / 0) (#5)
    by Hayekian on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:05:25 PM EST
    This is just a chickens come home to roost thing. You are correct that Granholm has done nothing to lower the obstacles to job creation here, and make Michigan a place that investors look to and think, "Hey - we can make money there" instead of "You gotta be kidding!" Just the opposite, in fact. If not for that then these particular chickens might still be circling in holding pattern indefinitely. I just wanted folks to be clear about who launched them in the first place.

    You wanted it, you got it. (none / 0) (#7)
    by LookingforReagan on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:27:44 PM EST
    I guess we are already seeing the consequences of elections. Especially in Michigan. The ignorance of the electorate never ceases to amaze me as they continue to bend over and vote for Democrats as if to say "Please may I have another"
    I guess those waiting lists for moving vans is going to get longer.
    I guess the answer is clear. Michian is finished. No bringing this back from the brink. The tipping point was reached months ago and we are only now starting to realize that.
    My advice is to get out and get out as soon as you can.

    The tax hits (none / 0) (#8)
    by StillHere on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:37:43 PM EST
    $0 balance employers, the one's who had to lay off so many people it depleted their UIA account.  It's not supposed to affect the businesses that have not depleted their UIA accounts (yet).   The whole idea is stupid. If these business had to lay off enough people to drain their UIA account in order to stay in business, this tax is going to hit them harder, creating more layoffs within these companies.  Also in that article is the $21/employee raise in UIA in 2010.  What it doesn't say is if it will be for $0 balance employers or across the board.  If it's across the board, it's going to hurt even more companies. I will be calling SOM Tuesday to find out how that one is supposed to work.

    Sorry Reagan- Rick & John ate surplus (none / 0) (#10)
    by Hayekian on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:36:36 PM EST
    In your "Maybe" comment you state, "If Granholm hadn't killed 500,000 jobs over the last six years and spent every nickel of the suplus that was left this wouldn't be have been needed."

    I'm probably going to p*** off everyone today by blowing the whistle on our RINO legislators (then and now), but the rainy day fund was wiped out by Rick Johnson, Dan DeGrow and John Engler's evil twin (the one who replaced the real John after 1997 or so).

    They did it in one of the sneakiest, slimiest maneuvers ever seen in Lansing, and that's saying a mouthful. You may recall that the 23 year SBT phaseout (yeah, right) was to be suspended whenever rainy day fell below a certain balance. Repubs wanted the money back in 2002 so they wouldn't have to cut spending, but they didn't want the accountability for ending the phase-out.

    Glen Steil Sr. had a bill to allow the SBT cuts to go forward even if rainy day was depleted, SB 117, and of course everyone said they were for that. They tie-barred it to the bill to wipe out rainy day, HB 5883. However, in a voice vote, they stripped out the tie-bar, and then passed the bill without it, leaving just $33 million in rainy day. Here's the stinker, though: Engler's evil twin had already announced he would veto 117, so they all knew that they were voting to end the SBT cuts, while setting things up so they could later say, "Who, me?"

    And now you know the rest of the story - and why our legislature has been a truckload of dead rat heads in coke bottles for a long time.

    BTW, we can certainly agree that Jenny has killed half a million jobs, however.

    Got the cure-all . . . (none / 0) (#11)
    by Kevin Rex Heine on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:04:13 AM EST
    . . . for this one.  It's simple.  We do everything that we must to get the Michigan FairTax Proposal on the 2010 ballot.  Then we bust our rumps to get it passed (the more convincing the margin, the better).

    Cut-and-dried that solves the tax problem.  All tax-hikes since and including the 2007 fiasco are rolled back and thrown out . . . permanently.  Every state-level tax except the sales tax is stricken from the books . . . permanently.  The entire state tax system is then placed behind a constitutional firewall that absolutely and unconditionally prohibits the introduction of any new tax, or the resurrection of any killed tax, without direct voter approval.

    This is such a sound concept that Joel Sheltrown, he who has charter membership in the RM Wall of Shame, is now a Fair Tax supporter and possibly an advocate for its introduction and passage.

    (Seriously, Nick, we really need to rework that wall to include a few RINOs . . . it's current form is killing my opportunity for an interview with Joel.)

    Yup, taxes in Michigan suck large.  And as long as the legislature is allowed to control the tax system in this state, that's not going to change (regardless of who the controlling party is).

    So what are you doing about it?  That's right, you . . . the one sitting on your duff and reading this . . . what are YOU doing about it?  What are you, personally, doing to make the Michigan FairTax Proposal a 2010 ballot issue in a way that ensures its passage?  What are you, personally, doing to hold your legislator's feet to the fires of hell and demand that he institute NO NEW TAXES!!!  (Read my lips, dammit.)

    Seriously, do something.

    Grow the f*** up. (none / 0) (#12)
    by John Galt on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 11:45:02 AM EST
    This is addressed to the folks blaming "Engler's evil twin since 1998...err, 1997... err..."  Seriously.  Grow the F** up.

    Increasing the amount paid through unemployment is supposed to be some "anti-conservative"/RINO/pro-Democrat thing?  I don't think so.  Changing the amount we pay to the unemployed through UIA is a necessary thing from time to time.

    So blaming it (and the Republicans that passed it) is incredibly childish and shows a lack of understanding and appreciation for the same "basic economics" you claim to want more people to understand.

    Let's also grow the f* up and realize that THIS IS POLITICS.  Yeah, Republicans are going to have to do some distasteful things.  Not everything you disagree with makes them a "RINO".  Trading favors and votes is what gets things done.  I'm sick and tired of people who think they're "involved in politics" and think that things can just happen in a vacuum.  The goal should be to ensure that we move towards a Republican view of government, and that's accomplished by the "Whips" and "Leaders" in the legislature, and the executive office.  

    Finally, going back 6 or 10 years to blame people is not only incredibly lame.  It's counter-productive.  Engler and Johnson aren't in office, and as best I can tell aren't going to be seeking higher office.  What f*ing good does it do to go back in time?  Historical effect?  Grow the f* up.

    The reality is that the increase in unemployment is here.  The reality, nationally, is that we have social security.  There are plenty of realities - things that exist today and have problems today.  So grow the F** up and figure out how to deal with them today.  Failing to hold CURRENT leadership accountable will keep the problem happening.

    But by all means, if you want to pretend to be a little "George Will" and play history teacher, go right ahead.  But be a man and place the blame for failed economic policies where they belong.

    Grow the f*** up. (none / 0) (#13)
    by John Galt on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 11:46:01 AM EST
    (Reposted because all the **** caused a lot of formatting errors in the last post)

    This is addressed to the folks blaming "Engler's evil twin since 1998...err, 1997... err..."  Seriously.  Grow the F*** up.

    Increasing the amount paid through unemployment is supposed to be some "anti-conservative"/RINO/pro-Democrat thing?  I don't think so.  Changing the amount we pay to the unemployed through UIA is a necessary thing from time to time.

    So blaming it (and the Republicans that passed it) is incredibly childish and shows a lack of understanding and appreciation for the same "basic economics" you claim to want more people to understand.

    Let's also grow the f*** up and realize that THIS IS POLITICS.  Yeah, Republicans are going to have to do some distasteful things.  Not everything you disagree with makes them a "RINO".  Trading favors and votes is what gets things done.  I'm sick and tired of people who think they're "involved in politics" and think that things can just happen in a vacuum.  The goal should be to ensure that we move towards a Republican view of government, and that's accomplished by the "Whips" and "Leaders" in the legislature, and the executive office.  

    Finally, going back 6 or 10 years to blame people is not only incredibly lame.  It's counter-productive.  Engler and Johnson aren't in office, and as best I can tell aren't going to be seeking higher office.  What f***ing good does it do to go back in time?  Historical effect?  Grow the f*** up.

    The reality is that the increase in unemployment is here.  The reality, nationally, is that we have social security.  There are plenty of realities - things that exist today and have problems today.  So grow the F*** up and figure out how to deal with them today.  Failing to hold CURRENT leadership accountable will keep the problem happening.

    But by all means, if you want to pretend to be a little "George Will" and play history teacher, go right ahead.  But be a man and place the blame for failed economic policies where they belong.

    bald from pulling out my own hair.. hehe (none / 0) (#15)
    by michiganmav on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 03:19:47 PM EST
    Your US dollar is worth about 17% less than from about 10 years ago $300 x 1.17 = $351

    Somebody said the fate of Michigans future economy rests at the feet of congress and GWB with the GM bailout.
    I was thinking that if the taxes weren't raised in the first place there may be some jobs around for people who may actually purchase some cars.
    Funding the status quo doesn't create one job, the same goes for this tax hike, there needs to be a quantum shift in the staus quo for an effective and lasting economic response.
    Who'd a thunk lower taxes would mean more jobs and less people on unemployment?
    Certainly not the staus quo Gov.

    "This talented body will help us challenge the status quo on how best to develop and invest effectively in Michigan's 21st century workforce."

    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Get-Michigan-Moving-Coalition-Will/story.aspx?guid=%7B5859F849 -30B0-421B-97BC-5772B60EC89E%7D

    To me it sounds like they're want to sell bonds to fund a bunch of blue ribbon panel folk to talk about building a mode of transportation around a community with few jobs and that encourages them to not use a car... very Orwellian


    Responding to ... well, everyone! (none / 0) (#18)
    by theclassiclib on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 06:34:10 PM EST
    This destructive tax hike DOES, in fact, lay at the feet of "Jenny from the Block."  Saying this does not mean I'm giving the Republican politicians a pardon.  In fact, they are the one's I'm most angry with!  I expect more from them, than I do from some Democrat.  In my 22 years as a registered Republican, this election was the first election I did not vote for any of them.  I voted Libertarian instead.

    Now ... how long has Jenny, one of "the One's" economic advisors been running the show?  Because if the root of this dates back to 2002, 1998, or even 1812, Jenny's still in charge, and she's had more than ample time to solve it.  It IS her problem!

    There are countless ways to find the money without raising taxes, but I'll bore you with only one.  While I haven't looked at the numbers, something tells me that the money spent on Jenny's Hollywood Welfare Program may have helped.  (ok, two) Or, how much was spent on her ever-brilliant "Cool Cities?"

    Politics doesn't have to be a game of compromise.  That's only a false illusion.  I remember back to the Great Shutdown of 1995 and how thrilled I was!  It gave "we the people" a small open window to breathe, because politicians couldn't "legislate."

    Bipartisanship is bullsh!t.  You either believe in something, or you don't.  Bipartisanship is the path of the weasel, the yellow-bellied man, and the snakeoil salesman.

    Strong, principled partisanship, however, would bind the politicians ability to legislate, resulting in significantly lower budgets that wouldn't become the unbearable burden on the taxpayer that they all are today.

    Our country, founded on a creed and birthed in revolution, was not fought for so politicians could "make deals" and confiscate 40% of the citizens income.  

    Imagine what our forbears would think of the taxes we pay today?  Oh ... we're more "modern" than they ... Yeah, right ... Jefferson would just laugh, and then when he started talking, his insight and brilliance would make us all look like fools.

    Jenny from the Block deserves ALL the blame in this, but if Republican politicians wish to bury the passions of Thomas Jefferson, Russell Kirk, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and Ron Paul ... I say GOP, rest in peace.

    • amen by Ed Burley, 11/16/2008 11:38:26 PM EST (none / 0)
    Agreed. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Chazwald on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:25:46 PM EST


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