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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    MEA Recall Effort Should Be Resisted

    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 12:50:28 PM EST
    Tags: Michigan, MEA, Unions, Power, Paul Scott, Recall, Republicans, Conservatives, Primary (all tags)

    Many regulars know I am not a big fan of the smoking ban, and that IMO, anyone who thinks it was an appropriate law has a bad view of government limitations.

    Paul Scott promoted and was one of the sponsors to 2009-HB4377 which determined that "No business owner really has the right to decide what environment he or she shall provide."  It was passed in Dec 2009, and enforcement began 2010 preventing any business from allowing smoking inside or in serving areas.  It of course received the support of those legislators who held out for the casino constituencies and wanted to say "to hell with the 14th amendment, those places are exempt."  Scott was a founder of the smoking ban, and it says a lot about his philosophical 'nanny state' view of government.

    So yeah, NOT a big supporter of the man, but ..

    The MEA put $25,000 right out there for this recall attempt.  It is very targeted, and is designed for maximum effect on both Michigan's population, and to send a message to those who are in marginal districts that efforts perceived as anti-union will not be tolerated. And as the Snyder re-arranging of cheese goes on (yes I know there is some resistance here as well) there is a great deal of that A-U perception, right or wrong.

    Let me be clear however, the MEA's political action to hit Scott will have a more chilling effect on those things WE IN THIS forum want.  While we rebuild a conservative base within the GOP ranks in Lansing, it will not help us if the other side of the aisle folks are putting fear of recall into the marginal areas that wind up giving the TRUE power in our houses; the majority.

    a Little more below

    I support fully, efforts at putting conservatives in place through the primary process.  There should be no expectation that because an elected critter is Republican, that he or she has the ability to reject Republican stated ideals, or the conservative principles which presumably form them, then get sanctioned for repeated renewal to office.  That is the purpose of the primary. I did it, and hundreds, perhaps thousands of primary challengers to Republican incumbents across the country have made their statement that someone was not conservative enough.

    Even as evidenced on the wall of shame to the side, it is clear we can have vast differences in opinion, yet I would not support a recall of any of those listed. But if a primary challenger were to come of it, it would be welcomed.

    That is how to send the message.

    Supporting the recall efforts by the other side when we as conservatives have nothing to gain is not a good thing at all.

    One must look at the perception of such successes.  Who will be perceived as having the true power?  Who will get the most positive press? And even if the representative's conservative record is not so good as to elicit a "fine I want him/her gone too" sentiment, it is not the conservative view that is going to be the message heard.  The MEA, and supporting lefties know this, and are hoping to draw in enough disgruntled conservatives who aren't happy with Scott in other ways. For their purposes, it is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," as a matter of convenience.

    Do not give them any more power through a misplaced hope of perfection

    Pragmatism does have its place. Fight for Scott now, and support the primarying of him in any of his future endeavors as necessary. Its good to have competition anyhow, and the exchange of ideas earlier in election cycles is the better way to grow the conservative message.  But in this type of activity, it is not our message that is presented.  It is the left's, and if it is successful it sets us back.

    Paul Scott being recalled is not in our best interests.

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    While I agree with you in principle (none / 0) (#1)
    by Corinthian Scales on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 01:33:11 PM EST
    I honestly could give a rats ass about any of their chosen quagmire with supporting Snyder's agenda leaving the hammer in the public sector unions hand.  Too divisive then?  Too bad now.  Life's hard, it's even harder when you're stupid.

    That's where this "misplaced hope of perfection" case made becomes nonsense falling flat on its face.  It's not about perfection.  It is about common sense.

    On a lighter note, I've found a growing number of watering holes that have decided to let their customers smoke.  They're p!ssed of owners that would rather pay a penalty if caught than lose their business by government mandated controls over their property.  Their places are starting to thrive again.  It is a very life affirming network growing across this state that I'm glad to be part of, but it p!sses me off to my toes it forces folks to go underground.

    Rep. Scott is responsible for that, so f#@% him.  What happens happens.

    The money case presented also falls flat on its face too.  $25K spent by who on this recall?  The gottamned taxpayers indirectly funded it without a say in the matter thanks to the Party in control of every lever of power in Lansing.  That garners zero sympathy from me.

    Matter of fact, does the MI-GOP really want to get into the tit-for-tat discussion of taxpayers monies?  Howza 'bout $10 million or up to $66 for every new name?

    With friends like those, J-man... with friends like those.

    Why? (none / 0) (#2)
    by KG One on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 11:04:08 PM EST
    You argue that this will have a "chilling effect".

    Specifically, you've mentioned the smoking ban, but Rep. Scott also supported Gov Snyder's pension tax/income tax hike, Michigan's nanny-state approach to OTC medicine, and his big-brother approach with auto insurance companies...just to name a few.

    I can argue that the MEA is actually doing our side a favor by doing all of the legwork and cutting his obviously useless political career very short.

    When elected officials like him go off the reservation and pull stunts like the above just because they think that "-r" after their name will protect them...hoo boy, are they in for a shock!

    We have nothing to gain by this?

    Then tell me, after the '83 recalls, what was the tenor in Lansing regarding tax hikes?

    Oh, on the surface, the politicos will tell that there's nothing to see here and move along.

    As for me, I've seen politicians who were deathly afraid that their cushy, overcompensated position would be taken away from them the moment they did anything stupid. As long as the voters were, for the most part left alone, the politicians jobs were safe (at least until term limits kicked in back in '92).

    If Rep. Scott hadn't done so, and all the MEA was running on was a single issue vote (a'la Wisconsin), I would have no issue in volunteering time and money to help him fight his recall. Sadly, this isn't the case.

    Given his willful flushing of the principles he purportedly stood for right down the toilet, I see absolute no reason to offer him any aid whatsoever against his recall campaign.

    You can also mark my words on this: Governor Snyder will let Rep. Scott twist in the wind when this vote is all said and done.

    This may be a marginal district. But if republicans want any support from Michigan Conservatives against any potential new recalls, then they'd better shape up and get with the program, repealing all of Gov Snyder's tax hikes (i.e. income, pension, Detroit Utility) would be a great start.

    Otherwise, they may be next and pounding the pavement looking for a new job.

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