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    Who are the NERD fund donors Mr Snyder?

    Raise the curtain.

    So You Know Whom They are

    By JGillman, Section News
    Posted on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 12:09:49 AM EST
    Tags: Fiscal Cliff, Debt Ceiling, Michigan, Congressmen, HR 8, Dan Benishek, Bill Huizenga, Dave Camp, Fred Upton, Congressman Tim Walberg, Mike Rogers, Candice Miller, Thaddeus McCotter (all tags)

    Once upon a time we had a wall of shame.

    We placed the names of those who supposedly stand for responsible government, and would have presumably known their power, upon these pages.  We pointed out how they buckled to the deceiver in the white house, and perpetuated the burden on our children ad finitum.  The faces and names have only been slightly changed,but here we go again, seeing the inability to recognize where the lines must be drawn. It was Congressman Dan Benishek, Congressman Bill Huizenga, Congressman Dave Camp, Congressman Fred Upton, Congressman Tim Walberg, Congressman Mike Rogers, Congresswoman Candice Miller, and the notorious Congressman Thaddeus McCotter who allowed the debt ceiling to increase.

    No line in the sand was drawn, no ultimatum, just a stupid deal that we have understood for the last several months to be a "fiscal cliff" of automatic cuts, punishments, reductions, tax increases, etc. The obvious toilet bowl baby of massive proportion, baked up by the usual suspects. And rubber stamped on the foreheads of the dummies who call themselves Republican from the list above.

    Redemption requires a real change of heart.  

    Amash played it right the first time.  He understood that the Marxists in the other chamber, and specifically the thug holding the executive office could not be trusted without limits being placed on them.  The debt, the spending, the taxation, and all the graft accompanying this most recent development changed nothing, but in fact buys the urn in which the ashes of our constitution will reside.  The good representative needs no remorse, for he has served his office well.

    He was joined in resisting the less than acceptable bludgeon to common sense and morality that Congress has dealt tonight.

    Justim Amash, Tim Walberg, and Bill Huizinga, were alone out of our Michigan contingent to vote against being steam rolled. They voted against a package that raises taxes, spends MORE and does NOTHING to solve the debt or the deficit that we will likely never see an end to; at least until the collapse of our currency. Walberg and Huizinga have recognized the stakes in allowing the future of our country to be defined by the other side.

    Dave Camp, Fred Upton, Candace Miller, and Dan Benishek? Just plain pathetic, weak, and merely useless.


    Perhaps deserving of another spot on the wall.

    Update [2013-1-2 6:42:10 by JGillman]: And how this one slipped I don't know. Mike Rogers as well. (Thanks C1)

    < Those who fail to learn the lessons of...oh, stop me if you've heard this one before! | Walberg Statement On The "Fiscal Cliff" >

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    And what makes them Marxists? (none / 0) (#1)
    by InksLWC on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:29:12 AM EST

    • How about... by KG One, 01/02/2013 05:12:13 AM EST (none / 0)
      • Probably by jgillmanjr, 01/02/2013 07:27:39 AM EST (none / 0)
    Mike Rogers also voted yes. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Conservative First on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:29:50 AM EST

    Ha! Another one of the 85 losers... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Corinthian Scales on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:14:48 AM EST
    Your idea of Marxism is laughably wrong (none / 0) (#7)
    by InksLWC on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:48:11 PM EST
    A vote on a bill to cut taxes without cutting spending isn't Marxism... it's just poor logic (and math, economics, etc.).

    Well I asked how they were Marxists (none / 0) (#9)
    by InksLWC on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:13:26 PM EST
    And you responded, so I assumed that your response was in answer to my question.  If it wasn't, then I guess that's more of a lack of logic on your part than it is on mine.

    So how are they Marxists, Mr. Gillman?  Enlighten me!

    I wonder (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Rougman on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:43:56 PM EST
    What the practical difference would have been had I voted for McDowell rather then Benishek.  

    Nothing.  Two peas in a pod despite any protestations.

    Time for a third party folks.  Let the socialists from both major parties own the problems they are creating.

    we're not fools (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Tom McMillin on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:47:54 PM EST
    What really upsets me is most (all?) of these Congressmen keep playing us for fools.

    No - don't even think about justifying this pork-laden, spending increase and tax increase bill as "it was this or nothing else"

    The House should have voted it down and demanded a better deal or amended the bill to something reasonable and sent it back over to the Senate.

    Don't you dare tell us it was this garbage or else all the tax increases were going to kick in.  That is a 100% lie.

    GOP: A Party with no foundation (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Rougman on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:25:58 PM EST
    This all gets down to principles and to the foundation of belief.  Foundations, by definition, must remain rigid or they are not functional.  I know this--you should see the way my barn leans.    

    The economic principles that I believe to be true (because my study indicates that they are consistent with the historical record) show that a free people that is unencumbered with an impersonal, inefficient, overreaching, and regulatory government can best provide for itself.  Further, we believe government is necessary to provide those things that it has been entrusted with, by the people through the Constitution, to provide--nothing more.  

    Human history is not pretty.  The centuries have been dominated by premature death, starvation, poverty, blight, disease, famine, filth, decay, conflict, and more recently, Alice reruns.  Once, if you lived to be 40 you were a wise old man--heck, I didn't even become incredibly wise until I reached 41. Free market economics and the industrial revolution changed this in America.  

    Alas, intellectuals were not so impressed.  The Soviet Union adopted umpteen 5 year agricultural plans as its people starved.  The soviets, after all, were great planners. Mao Zedong wiped out untold tons of wheat harvest by systematically warring against the evils of sparrows.  (Who wouldda thought sparrows ate bugs that might attack wheat?)  Mao also didn't figure his subjects needed farm implements so most of them were melted down--for the people! In retrospect, Mao's agriculture policy succeeded handsomely only if the goal was to reduce consumption by 50-100 million mouths.  

    Most of Africa, perhaps the richest continent in terms of natural resources, enjoys a coast to coast per capita income well south of $1000--yet its peoples are largely subjects of benevolent or authoritarian governments that place a higher value on power over people than they place on the positive economic benefits of freedom.  

    In America we watched all of this unfold.  As our wealth grew, as our social problems faded, as our children, generation after generation, enjoyed a better life than their hard working (and self-serving) parents did, the rest of the world spun its wheels or lost ground. About the time that the gulags were being stuffed with enemies of the state, unfettered industry in Detroit helped raise the standard of living in Michigan to unprecedented levels.

    These working ideals were once embraced by the Republican Party. Now its most important ideals are a willingness to compromise with failed economic policy and an acquired skill of punting cans just past the next election.  

    The former conservative party has strayed from its foundation onto a path that either believes (or is complicit with the belief) that a powerful centralized government can (and shall, by force if necessary) take command of and solve the frail human condition.  

    Joblessness?  Hey, we have a Commerce Department so sow seeds for employment, and a Department of Labor to assist out of luck workers.  And, if you want more of that kind of benevolence, President Obama is talking about the possibility of a "Department of Business."  For the effects of joblessness, we have the HHS. For hunger caused by joblessness we have the DOA.  For homelessness often created by joblessness, we have HUD.  To get to the appropriate offices we have a DOT planning with the DOE and the EPA to make certain travel is safe, affordable and accomplished with a small carbon footprint.  You get my drift.

    Conservatives do not have to look at the details of a huge spending bill to see what good is in it if we can answer one simple question:  Does the bill make government bigger and more powerful?  If the answer is yes, regardless of any perceived benevolence on the part of our overlords, the bill should be defeated.

    Well, this is not how today's GOP believes.  Today's Republican Party is so concerned with staying entrenched in power that it is willing to compromise on its very foundation.  It has become is a decidedly unserious entity with sails willing to grasp wind from any direction.  Who needs a rudder when you don't really care where you end up?  

    A little over two years ago I was a huge ally of Dan Benishek.  I wrote about him, advocated for his candidacy, and even plopped down one of his "enough is enough" signs in my yard.

    In the aftermath I have discovered what "enough is enough" really means to a "conservative" in today's GOP.  It means that big government is worth compromising on, that economy crippling regulation and taxation is worth compromising on, that a debt so large that we have no serious thoughts of ever repaying it is worthy of compromising on, and that the foundation of today's GOP economic philosophy is as solid as the cracked concrete under my old listing barn.

    The economic collapse cannot happen soon enough as far as I'm concerned as we keep digging a bigger hole out from which we must climb.  America's best days ahead lie beyond the collapse and not the next compromise.

    The Coming Debt Battle (none / 0) (#20)
    by JGillman on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:37:20 PM EST
    is going to be my personal line.

    eagerly awaiting  ..or not

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